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The WE L85 Gas Blow back rifle is the first ever L85 style GBBR to hit the market and does not disappoint. The WE L85 is a near perfect replica of the real steel L85 and features a extremely high build quality. The hand guard, pistol grip and cheek rest are both made of a very strong shock resistant nylon fiber that is both lightweight and durable. The rest of the gun is made from metal with a great black finish that nearly mirrors that of the real steel gun. The L85 is a extremely comfortable gun to hold do its Bullpup style design meaning that the magazine is placed behind the pistol grip of the gun to maintain a great weight balance when held by the operator. The true joy of the WE L85 is the firing experience due to the gas blow back system used. WE is known for their hard kicking gas blow back rifles and their L85 is no different. Each shot from the L85 is crisp and hard hitting, the gun is extremely responsive and the bolt cycles extremely quickly on full auto. The WE L85 is a serious contender in the world of Gas blow back rifles and will truly impress any player that is able to lay their hands on it.
Muzzle Velocity: 380-400
Weight: 8.9 pounds
Magazine Capacity: 30 Rounds
Design: Green Gas/Propane
The gun is well built. The only issues I've seen is the cheek plate is only glued on. Also the bolt system can get jammed. It's an easy fixed but needs to be done at the unboxing. The two short springs on the 3 metal bars are really hard and the bolt carrier is pretty soft. Well when the gun fires the two collide and the hard springs slam into the soft metal. The bolt carrier gets deformed and tightens on the bar. That causes the gun to jam. To fix it simple put Orings on the var infront of the springs. If you experience the issue use a dremel to reform it. Other than those two issues the gun is extremely fun to shoot and always brings a smile to my face. The gun it self looks very cool and is solid.
Very fun to shoot
Strong metal/hard plastic that feels comfortable
Good fps and rof
Jamming issue (easily fixable)
Can't chance sights (don't know a reason why you'd want to)
A bit heavy (I personally like the weight but I like heavier guns in general)
2013-03-04 11:20:25 Z. JACOBS
For: WE Full Metal L85 GBB Rifle Airsoft Gun
I got this gun around Christmas time and have only used it once (only once due to cold weather/rain). It is over all a well rounded gun. Besides the fact that it is a gas blow back it looks cool in general. I have the tan version witch goes perfectly with the new tan camo I got to go with it. The first thing you notice when firing is that it is loud and has "recoil". This is because all of the action is happening in the back of the gun, closer to your ear. (it is closer to your ear because it is a bull pup) It has more "recoil" then most gas blow backs because of smaller more tight springs. (it has tighter springs because it is a bull pup, the smaller room there is the less spring there needs to be) Two things you need to note is that the gun can NOT be used in the rain. The holes through out the gun will allow water into the gun and get rid of the gun grease that helps the bolt move. The second thing is that the sight has a very brittle screw on the top. When you try to unscrew it be VERY careful. The top part of the screw breaks off easily. I changed my screw to something better. Over all it is a great gun and is fun to shoot and play with. A story i can tell you is that when i first used it i got into a close range engagement. When a hostile came around the corner i hit him once in the leg (I may not of even hit him) and he called hit and said he didnt want to go against me that close range. I then continued and hit his friend. The pure sound of the gun scared the enemy into submission even though it shoots as any other gun. Another thing to mention is weight and dry firing. The weight is heavier then most but not too bad (I'm a big guy so i like 'em heavy guns) Dry firing will easily jam the gun. To fix it take the gun apart and simply keep pulling the bolt back till it gets fixed. Shouldn't take too long. To take the gun apart just take the two pins out (located in back top and very middle) (I lost my middle pin but doesnt seem to effect it too much) Its also good idea to use green gas over propane the propane comes out of the gun when you shoot and smells horrible.
Gas blow back
fun to shoot
can scary hostiles
bull pup (it can be used at closer ranges without sacrificing too much accuracy)
screw on sight is brittle
cant be used in rain (no gun really should be though)
can jam easily when dry firing
front sight cant be flipped down
back sight requires special attachment/modification to put different sight on
Anyone like myself who finds themselves in the realm where the airsoft and firearms communities overlap are familiar with the debate over the viability of airsoft guns for firearms training. It goes back a long time. I have used gas blowback pistols for training many years. The cost of operating an airsoft gun, although not inexpensive, is like night and day when compared to a real firearm. For that reason alone I am a proponent of using airsoft for training. It comes with limitations but it is one more tool for the tool box.
And, more recently airsoft has been gaining momentum in the firearm community as a viable training tool, especially as ammo prices have soared. Travis Haley of Haley Strategic Partners, well established in the firearm community, has endorsed airsoft guns as a means for training in a recent video and does an excellent job of explaining the advantages.
I remember getting the occasional law enforcement orders years back for gas blowback pistols because functionally they were quite similar to their real firearm counterparts but the demand was never that great for rifles and I feel one of the primary reasons was the dominance of AEGs on the market. At the time although useable for force on force training they had several shortcomings such as being dimensionally different then real firearms since they need to house a gearbox, motor, and battery. I will not detail all the shortcomings as that would take an inordinate amount of your time and mine.
Developments like the Systema PTW and others fixed some of the problems. For example, the Systema PTW used a new motor and gearbox design that aside from being more efficient enabled the PTW to have a proportionally correct size pistol grip and receiver. Also, the Systema PTW design had a functional "bolt release." I emphasize bolt release because that is what it was meant to simulate, the release of the bolt carrier group to chamber the first round after inserting a new magazine. But in reality the Systema PTW did not have a bolt at all.
That was the shortcoming of the PTW and similar systems; the lack of a bolt carrier group. As a result the charging handle and forward assist did not function. Since the release of the PTW there have been blowback AEGs but that normally consists of a thin metal plate "recoiling" back. Aside from that they are not functionally different from conventional AEGs.
Enter the gas blowback rifle. Over about the last 2 years the airsoft market has seen the emergence of gas blowback rifles. Although gas rifles have been around many years they have been outshined by AEGs but models like the King Arms gas blowback M4 and others have addressed the shortcomings of AEGs, at least in the training sense. The design of such gas blowback rifles bring airsoft guns to a new level as training tools. Like the Systema PTW they are dimensionally similar if not that same as their real firearm counterparts.
The difference comes down to the internal operation. There is not an electrical switch. When you pull the trigger a hammer is released, a bolt carrier group recoils/blowsback; into a buffer tube that has a buffer and spring. As a result the trigger feel, fieldstrip/breakdown, controls, felt recoil are all more realistic. Every sensation and operation is enhanced. The near future release of KWA's gas blowback M4, the LM4, gives me further hope for the future of the gas blowback airsoft rifle as a training tool. KWA promises it will out perform and provide greater efficiency then current platforms.
The only significant shortcomings from my perspective remaining with the gas blowback rifles is they function less efficiently in cold and no marking ability. I discount the decreased accuracy as compared to a real firearm out of hand as my primary concern as a training tool is for force on force scenarios and weapons manipulation practice. In regards to the remaining shortcomings we are light years ahead of where we were a couple years ago. I was there, I remember. The desire is always to have the perfect system but in this world nothing is perfect so for the time being such shortcomings can be worked around and should not deprive us of a viable training tool.
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What magazines work for this rifle?
Will any M4 GBB magazine work for this rifle or does it take a certain magazine? A little direction to the correct magazine would be great!
102 days ago
(I have this same question)
Staff Answer: It would have to be a WE magazine
101 days ago
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This product was added to our catalog on Wednesday 18 May, 2011.
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